08-17-2016, 12:01 PM

Space colonies in High Frontier are (mostly) limited to a radius of 1 km. But I've been in a discussion recently with somebody who wants to think bigger — he proposed a cylinder with an 8 km radius.

He wants a big, expansive interior space. But he wants his design to be realistic, so I spent a little time extolling the virtues of a 1 km cylinder. I thought y'all might find this interesting (and please chime in with your thoughts!).

A 1 km radius still makes for a pretty huge internal space, especially if (as I recommend) we make use of multiple decks.

For example, if with radius=1 km and length=1 km, the area of the main (1G) deck is 6.28 km^2, which is really quite a lot of room. And then the Mars deck (0.38G, radius 380 m) would have another 2.4 km^2, and the Moon deck (0.16G, radius 160 m) would provide another 1 km^2. Plus a few more decks in between for agriculture/industry, leaving all the decks mentioned for living/recreational areas.

The envelope (pressure vessel) thickness scales with the size. I have some notes about that here:

https://app.assembla.com/spaces/high-frontier/wiki/Air_pressure

For steel, it happens to work out pretty close to some nice round numbers: 1 m thick to contain 1 atmosphere at 1 km radius. It scales linearly with both air pressure and radius. So an 8 km radius would require a shell 8 meters thick of solid steel -- the sheer mass of steel required stretches credulity. And might not work at all; there is a point at which the stress on the structure from its own mass is greater than its tensile strength can bear.

There are advanced materials which can probably do the job better, while being considerably more expensive (at least per unit mass). But how much better, and where do they fail? I don't really know. I'm not a structural engineer. But 1 km is pretty widely acknowledged as "doable" since people much smarter than us studied this in the 70s, so we won't raise any eyebrows with that.

[He wrote that he wanted clusters of 20-story high-rise towers overrlooking parks and lakes, with gravity on the 20th floor still very close to 1G...]

Gravity scales linearly with radius too. So, if your floors are 3 m apart, then your 20th floor is 60 m up, where the gravity is 940/1000 = 0.94 G. That'd probably put a spring in your step, but I'm guessing it would be barely noticeable. (And the sky -- the underside of the Mars deck -- would still be over half a kilometer above the top of the building, so you'd definitely have an outdoorsy feel!)

So, everyone, what do you think? Is a 1 km radius space colony "big enough" even in the far future? Or do you think we should keep pushing for 5 km, even 10 km radius habitats?

He wants a big, expansive interior space. But he wants his design to be realistic, so I spent a little time extolling the virtues of a 1 km cylinder. I thought y'all might find this interesting (and please chime in with your thoughts!).

A 1 km radius still makes for a pretty huge internal space, especially if (as I recommend) we make use of multiple decks.

For example, if with radius=1 km and length=1 km, the area of the main (1G) deck is 6.28 km^2, which is really quite a lot of room. And then the Mars deck (0.38G, radius 380 m) would have another 2.4 km^2, and the Moon deck (0.16G, radius 160 m) would provide another 1 km^2. Plus a few more decks in between for agriculture/industry, leaving all the decks mentioned for living/recreational areas.

The envelope (pressure vessel) thickness scales with the size. I have some notes about that here:

https://app.assembla.com/spaces/high-frontier/wiki/Air_pressure

For steel, it happens to work out pretty close to some nice round numbers: 1 m thick to contain 1 atmosphere at 1 km radius. It scales linearly with both air pressure and radius. So an 8 km radius would require a shell 8 meters thick of solid steel -- the sheer mass of steel required stretches credulity. And might not work at all; there is a point at which the stress on the structure from its own mass is greater than its tensile strength can bear.

There are advanced materials which can probably do the job better, while being considerably more expensive (at least per unit mass). But how much better, and where do they fail? I don't really know. I'm not a structural engineer. But 1 km is pretty widely acknowledged as "doable" since people much smarter than us studied this in the 70s, so we won't raise any eyebrows with that.

[He wrote that he wanted clusters of 20-story high-rise towers overrlooking parks and lakes, with gravity on the 20th floor still very close to 1G...]

Gravity scales linearly with radius too. So, if your floors are 3 m apart, then your 20th floor is 60 m up, where the gravity is 940/1000 = 0.94 G. That'd probably put a spring in your step, but I'm guessing it would be barely noticeable. (And the sky -- the underside of the Mars deck -- would still be over half a kilometer above the top of the building, so you'd definitely have an outdoorsy feel!)

So, everyone, what do you think? Is a 1 km radius space colony "big enough" even in the far future? Or do you think we should keep pushing for 5 km, even 10 km radius habitats?